Tuesday, July 28, 2015

Legends of Western Cinema Week: Is It a Western?

     Howdy, people!  Welcome to the first joint post of Emma's and Olivia's, put together for Legends of Western Cinema Week!:D  *fanfare* 

     Let's dive right in!  To make things simpler, Emma's thoughts will be in brown, and Olivia's thoughts will be in blue.  Other stuff will be in plain old black:)

"What makes a Western?  It seems to me that it's not simply that it took place in the Western part of the United States, nor is it big hats and peacemakers and horses.  I mean, all of those are elements, certainly, but what makes a Western a Western to me is that you lack the recourse of civilization to work out whatever the problem is, and therefore characters must work out the dilemmas for themselves." 
~Walter Hill, director of Broken Trail 

     Most people have a pretty good picture of what a 'classic' western is supposed to look like. Cowboys, cattle drives, cavalry scouts, outlaws, and a healthy dose of family tension are what characterize most of the great oldies. Oh yes, and of course the famous ruts and cliffs of the American West. And dust; lots of dust.

     But sometimes the line between what's classified as a 'western' movie and what isn't can be a little blurry. We're going to take a look at some of our favorite movies that are kind of on the fence in that regard. Sort-of westerns, off-beat westerns -- whatever you want to call 'em.

    Geronimo: An American Legend (1993)

     This is a drama about the legendary Apache chief Geronimo and his resistance to the U.S government. It's a well-made historical movie, but not particularly epic; mostly it's just sad. Not a very enjoyable movie. The cast is excellent (though I was a little disappointed with Robert Duvall's role), and Jason Patric's character, Lt. Charles Gatewood, is one of my favorite screen characters of all time. Worth watching if you like historical dramas about Indians, but not something I'd want to watch more than once.

     Really, though, watch it just for Lt. Gatewood. He's wonderful.

     The Alamo (2005)

     I've seen the old 1959 movie The Alamo on several lists of 'best westerns ever made', but this newer version doesn't seem to be considered among the Western genre. IMDB lists it as historical, war, and drama. There are no cowboys, and the Texas Revolution took place before the stereotyped 'western' period, but the movie DOES take place in Texas and there's a healthy dose of that Old West feel. It's a fantastic historical drama, with an amazingly talented cast and some of the most heart-tugging scenes I've ever seen in a movie...such as the last night before the battle, when all the men are sitting around writing letters to their families, and the part where Davy Crockett plays his fiddle on top of the fort along with the Spanish military band. *shivers* Read my review here.

    Dances with Wolves (1990)


     One of the most classic American movies ever, Dances With Wolves is also on the edge of Western and just plain Drama. I've seen it on some people's Western Bucket Lists (I read a lot of magazines, you see), but then I've also read that some people consider it a 'fake' as a western. Well, whatever it is, it's pretty darn good.

     Hidalgo (2004)

     One of my all-time favorite movies, Hidalgo is the one that really started my whole western obsession. Frank Hopkins is responsible for my infatuation with cowboys everywhere. :-) 
     So strictly speaking, you wouldn't call this a western. Most of the movie takes place in the Middle East, but it IS the story of a cowboy and his heritage, how he overcomes ginormous obstacles, and it's got plenty of the grit that's prevalent in stories about the West. So if I want to call it a western, I will. :-)

     Okay, yes, I did choose one of the most Western-y pictures to put there;)  

     Anyway.  Is Hidalgo a Western…well, admittedly, the majority of the movie actually takes place in the Middle East, not the American West.  There aren't bank robberies, lassos, or spurs (except, of course those belonging to Frank).  However, the main character comes from the West, is actually *SPOILERS* part-Indian *END OF SPOILERS*, rides a painted, decidedly Western-looking horse, and is called 'Cowboy' by several characters.  Furthermore, he encapsulates the best of the spirit of the West--chivalry, courage, triumph over adversity, etc.  Also, in the middle of the Arabian desert, civilization is of course a mirage, and he must problem-solve independently. 

     Long story short, while I'm not sure I could classify Hidalgo as a Western in the most technically hard-core sense of the term, I think the beginning and end of the movie capture the essence of a truly splendid Western (and the art of inducing sniffles from vulnerable teenage fangirls *ahem*).  

Seven Brides for Seven Brothers

     Seven Brides for Seven Brothers is certainly a…stretch to classify as a Western.  But I think it works.  It takes place in the American West, and there is mention made in the beginning of the film about "land needing to be settled."  This isn't really the cowboy sort of Western, though--it's the homesteader sort.  However, Millie is definitely thrust into a rather, ahem, uncivilized world, and has to take control and whip these men into shape almost singlehandedly.  

Spirit:  Stallion of the Cimarron

     First of all, this movie can be whatever it jolly well wants to be.  Just want that duly noted;)  It's an animated film, a kid's movie, a moving drama, a romance, a sociopolitical commentary, and a story of unlikely friendship that may well bring tears to your eyes.  (I'm dead serious.)  

     But anyway, the question is:  is it a Western?  I think so.  Taking place at a time when the cavalry was "settling" the West, it looks at that settlement from a different perspective--from the heart of a horse.  (Because, you see, he was there.  And he remembers…he remembers the sun and the sky, and the wind calling his name, and a time when wild horses ran free, and--shutting up.  I mustn't spoil the movie, must I?  Leave the quotes for your review, Olivia, and get back to the task at hand.)  It explores the interactions between the U. S. cavalry and the wild mustangs it sought to tame, and between the Indians and said cavalry, and between the mustangs and the Indians.  It also even includes a sort-of-representative Battle of Wounded Knee Creek.  So, I mean…just sayin'.  The movie takes you back to a different part of the Old West, and it's quite interesting to see it from that viewpoint.  

     I'm babbling.  I must refrain.  Bottom line:  yes, I think this is a Western, though admittedly an off-beat one.  

Calamity Jane

     I mean…it's Calamity Jane.  You can't get much more Western that that;)  

     I'm sure, however, that the makers took some *ahem* liberties with the historical facts, due to this being a musical, but it's got characters such as Wild Bill Hickock, so there's a definite Western vibe to it.  The musical doesn't really focus on the West, though…it's more focused on music and love and such like (basically, what you'd expect from a 50's musical).  

     So I suppose it is a Western, but, kind of like Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, it doesn't really feel like one. 

"It [Westerns] is about the value system of a bygone era."  ~ Thomas Haden Church, actor in Broken Trail



  1. Hhehehehe Calamity Jane! My dad walked past and was like "OHNO!" He played the lead male in his school musical version with my school! How cool is that! =D

    1. Hold up just a cotton-pickin' minute....Your dad played Wild Bill Hickock?!?!?!??? THAT IS SO COOL. Wow, Evie, you're just full of surprises. :-)

    2. I try my best.. :P Yes he did! and all of it's true just putting it out there (not that you doubted me though.. :))

  2. Well…I'd say something about the post, but we've both read it before, so…yeah:D

    But anyway, I did so enjoy writing this together!!

  3. Howdy! Oklahoma is not a Western is it? I was thinking of doing a post on that

    1. Evie, if you want to post about Oklahoma, go right ahead. It doesn't matter if it's not technically a western -- we aren't being very picky, as you see. :-D

    2. Awesome!!!! I think I will do a post on our production or the movie?

  4. Hey--got a question for you Western lovers: Is "Seabiscuit" a Western? I don't know that it is, technically, but it REMINDS me of a Western because of . . . well, reasons. It's all about a horse, one of the characters is a former jockey, most of the action takes place out West . . . etc.

    Anyway, just wondered what you guys' take would be on that :)

    1. I haven't seen Seabiscuit, so I can't really say. BUT it sure sounds like something that could be on the edge of being a western.

      So it's a good movie, huh? Someone I was talking to recently mentioned it, and it piqued my interest. I do really like Chris Cooper. :-)

    2. He was really good in it . . . all the leads were really good. I was especially taken with Toby Maguire (he plays the jockey). The only thing is, like I said before, it was rated PG-13 but does have SOME objectionable content, so just bear that in mind :)

      (I just say that because I'm 21 and I know a lot of you lovely blogging ladies are a bit younger than me, so I feel a sort of obligation to be cautious when giving recommendations :) )

  5. Emma,
    The only movie I have seen on this list is Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, however, seen or not I feel a bit of a connection to Dances with Wolves as we drove past a shooting location for it in SD on a road trip once, and I spent an hour or two afterwards reading/thinking about the story. Oh the joys of smart phones/the internet when one is in want of information. :)

    Oh and Hidalgo! Everyone seems to be talking about / loving it so much everywhere I go that I don't think I can bear my ignorance of it much longer!

    And what you said in your review of The Alamo about Jason Patric being easy on the eyes... I haven't seen him in anything, but I 100% agree with you here and now. :)


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